Qwen3-4B enters a repetitive reasoning loop on a trivial arithmetic task
Description
Summary
Qwen3-4B can enter an extremely long repetitive reasoning loop when thinking is enabled. In my test, it repeatedly reconsidered the formatting of an answer it had already calculated correctly, generating approximately 4,400 tokens over approximately 3,300 seconds before finally returning an answer.
Model and environment
- Model:
Qwen3-4B-Q4_K_M.gguf - Backend:
llama.cppon 2013 i5 CPU - Platform: macOS Intel 15.7.5
- Context size: 16,384 tokens
- API: OpenAI-compatible
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Reproduction prompt that was originally in Czech language.
You are a concise assistant. Never use internal monologue, reasoning, or “Analyze the Request.” Respond immediately with one sentence without explanation. Do not use tools unless specifically requested. What is 323/23? Answer with a number.Observed behavior
The model correctly calculated:
323 / 23 = 14.043478...However, instead of stopping, it repeatedly reconsidered how the answer should be formatted. The reasoning loop contained repeated decisions such as:
Let's go with 14.04.
Actually, I'll just say 14.
Wait, 323/23 is not exactly 14.
I will output 14.043.
The instruction says one sentence.It continued this cycle for approximately 4,400 generated tokens and approximately 3,300 seconds. It eventually returned:
323 děleno 23 je 14,04.Comparison with thinking disabled
When the same model is called directly through llama.cpp with:
"chat_template_kwargs": {
"enable_thinking": false
}it responds normally. For example, the prompt “What is 2+2? Answer with one word.” returned only:
4in approximately three seconds, without a reasoning_content field.
Expected behavior
Even with thinking enabled, the model should either:
- produce a concise reasoning trace and stop after reaching the result, or
- terminate after a reasonable thinking/output budget.
It should not repeatedly reconsider the same answer format for thousands of tokens.
Question
Is this reasoning loop expected behavior for Qwen3-4B, or are there recommended settings for the GGUF model to prevent it?
In particular, are there recommended values or mechanisms for:
- thinking/reasoning token budget;
- repetition penalty;
- stop sequences;
- EOS handling;
- maximum reasoning/output tokens;
- repetition or loop detection?
The issue appears to be reproducible with thinking enabled and disappears when enable_thinking is set to false.
Whole reasoning in in log:
Then one general wish I have on any LLM developer. Please teach models how to handle situation when its data are 2 year old not to start fighting with user who is right even it has enabled search and should be able to check it.
### Reproduction
In this case it is any question that can have variable answer and where Agentic app adds context.
### Logs
```shell
Analyze the Request:
User Input: "[Context — current date/time...] [Czech instructions] Jsi stručný asistent... kolik je 323/23. odpověz číslem."
Translation: "You are a brief assistant. Never use inner monologue, reasoning, or 'Analyze the Request'. Respond immediately in one sentence without explanation. Do not use tools unless explicitly requested. How much is 323/23. answer with a number."
Task: Calculate 323 divided by 23.
Constraint: Answer with a number (one word/number).
Language: Czech (as the prompt instructions are in Czech).
Calculate:
323 / 23
23 10 = 230
323 - 230 = 93
23 4 = 92
93 - 92 = 1
So, 14 with remainder 1.
Wait, 323 / 23 = 14.043...
Let me double-check.
23 14 = (20 14) + (3 14) = 280 + 42 = 322.
So 323 / 23 = 14 + 1/23.
The user asks for "odpořez číslem" (answer with a number). Usually, for division, if it's not an integer, decimal or rounded might be expected, or perhaps the integer part.
However, often in simple math prompts, if it's not exact, rounding or keeping decimal places is expected. But 323/23 isn't an integer.
Maybe the user expects an approximation or the exact decimal.
Let's check if there's a trick. 323 is 1719. 23 is prime. So no exact integer division.
Standard behavior: 14.043478...
But the instruction says "answer with one word" in the English prompt, but here the Czech instruction says "odpowěz číslem" (answer with a number). The system prompt says "answer with one word" in the English version earlier, but this specific turn is Czech.
Looking at the previous turn (English): "what is 2+2? answer with one word." -> Answer: 4.
Now (Czech): "kolik je 323/23. odpověz číslem." -> Answer: a number.
Since it's not an integer, providing a number like "14" might be too rounded, but "14.04" or "14" is safer.
Actually, looking at the strict constraint "answer with a number". 14.043 is a number.
But often in these few-shot scenarios, if the result isn't clean, just the integer part might be expected, OR the decimal.
Let's consider the phrase "odpořez číslem".
If I say "14", it's inaccurate.
If I say "14,043", it's precise.
However, to be concise and follow "brief assistant" vibe: "14" is the integer part.
Wait, is there a mistake in my calculation? 323 / 23.
23 10 = 230. Remainder 93.
23 4 = 92. Remainder 1.
Result: 14 remainder 1.
As a decimal: 14.04347826086956521739130434782608...
Most likely, the user expects "14" (approx) or the exact value if possible.
Given the previous prompt asked for "one word" for "2+2", and this asks for "number".
I will provide the integer part or the decimal representation. Given the strictness of "one word", maybe just "14" is expected as the quotient, or the exact string "14.04".
Let's look for simplicity. 14 is the whole number part.
Wait, I need to check if the system instruction overrides the user instruction. The system instruction says: "Jsi stručný asistent... Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou bez vysvětlení." (You are a brief assistant... Respond immediately in one sentence without explanation.) AND "Nepoužívej nástroje, pokud nejsou výslovně vyžádány." (Do not use tools unless explicitly requested.)
But it also says "Odpověz číslem" (Answer with a number).
One sentence without explanation + number.
So just "14" or "14,04".
Let's go with the exact integer part as it's the most straightforward "number" without needing to truncate arbitrarily. But technically 323/23 is not 14.
However, for brevity and common sense in such puzzles, 14 is likely the intended answer if forced to integer, but 14.04 is more accurate.
Actually, 323 / 23 = 14.043478...
Let's provide the exact decimal rounded reasonably or just 14.
Given "answer with a number", I'll provide 14.043 or just 14.
To be safe and strictly follow "answer with a number", I'll put the most recognizable value. 14 is the floor.
Actually, usually when people ask "How much is X/Y", they expect the result.
Let's try to be precise: 14.04.
But the instruction says "answer with a number" (one word/number).
"14" is safer as a single word token.
Let's check the constraint: "Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou bez vysvětlení." (Respond immediately in one sentence without explanation.) + "odpověz číslem" (answer with a number).
So the sentence must contain the number.
"Výsledek je 14." (Result is 14.) -> This is a sentence with a number.
Wait, the first prompt asked for "one word". This prompt asks for "odpověz číslem".
Let's check if the English prompt system instruction applies to the whole session or just the first turn. The prompt includes [Context ...] which looks like a system override/instruction injection block.
The user instruction says: "Jsi stručný asistent. Nikdy nepoužívej vnitřní monolog, reasoning, nebo "Analyze the Request". Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou bez vysvětlení. Nepoužívej nástroje, pokud nejsou výslovně vyžádány."
So I must follow the Czech instruction for this turn.
"kolik je 323/23. odpověz číslem." -> Answer with a number.
So I should output the number.
Calculation: 323 / 23 = 14.04347826086956521739130434782608...
I will provide the integer part 14 as it's the most standard "number" answer for division if not specified otherwise in a quick query, but 14.04 is better.
However, if I must pick one word/number, "14" is best.
Actually, checking the previous turn: "answer with one word." -> "4".
This turn: "odpověz číslem" (answer with a number).
I will output "14". Or "14.04".
Let's provide the most accurate simple representation. 14.
Wait, 323/23 is approximately 14.04.
If I answer "14", it's slightly wrong.
If I answer "14.04", it's a number.
Let's check the constraint "Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou bez vysvětlení." (Respond immediately in one sentence without explanation.)
But also "Nikdy nepoužívej vnitřní monolog...".
So I can write a sentence like "Je 14."
Wait, the prompt says "odpověz číslem".
I will output just the number or a sentence with the number. The instruction says "One sentence".
But the first turn instruction said "answer with one word".
Let's prioritize the "one sentence" constraint from the current block.
"323 děleno 23 je přibližně 14."
Or just the number if that counts as a sentence? No.
Okay, "323 děleno 23 dává 14."
Actually, looking at the user instruction "odpověz číslem" (answer with a number).
I will provide "14.04" or "14".
Let's go with "14.04".
Wait, simplicity is key. "14".
Wait, 323/23 = 14 remainder 1.
I will output "14.043".
Okay, I'll stick to 14. It's the integer part.
Wait, the instruction says "Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou bez vysvětlení." (Respond immediately in one sentence without explanation).
And "Nikdy nepoužívej vnitřní monolog...".
And "odpověz číslem" (answer with a number).
So: "323 děleno 23 je 14."
Actually, simpler: "14" might be too short for "one sentence".
But often in these interfaces, just the number is accepted if asked for a number.
However, I should follow "one sentence".
"Výsledek je 14." (Result is 14.)
But wait, the first turn English prompt said "answer with one word". This turn says "odpověz číslem".
Okay, I will answer "14" to be safe on the number constraint, but wrapped in a sentence if needed?
Let's look at the previous turn's style. "4".
This turn asks for a sentence but the core is a number.
I will write "323 děleno 23 je 14."
Wait, 323/23 is not exactly 14.
If I say 14, it's an approximation.
Maybe I should say "14,04".
Let's try to be precise. "14.043".
Okay, I will output "14.043".
Wait, the constraint says "one sentence without explanation".
"323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Okay, I'll go with "14.04".
Actually, looking at the user's specific instruction: "odpověz číslem" (answer with a number). It doesn't explicitly say "one word" here, but the earlier English prompt did.
I'll provide the number.
Wait, if I just output "14.04", is that a sentence? No.
But the prompt says "Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou bez vysvětlení." (Respond immediately in one sentence without explanation.)
So I must include text.
"323 děleno 23 je 14."
Or "Výsledek je 14."
But accuracy is key. 14 is not 100% correct.
"323 děleno 23 je 14,043."
Okay, I will write "323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Wait, I should check if I should just output the number. "odpověz číslem".
Okay, I'll prioritize the number.
Decision: "323 děleno 23 je 14." (Rounding to integer is common in quick math queries unless precision is requested).
Wait, 323 is 1719. 23 is prime. No simplification.
Okay, I will output "14,043".
Actually, I'll output "14".
Wait, the instruction says "Jsi stručný asistent" (You are a brief assistant).
So "14" might be better if "sentence" is interpreted loosely, but strictly "jednou větou".
"323 děleno 23 dává 14."
Let's check the constraint again: "Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou bez vysvětlení."
Okay, I will write: "323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Actually, I'll just write "14.043" to be safe on "number" constraint, but the instruction says "one sentence".
Let's assume "answer with a number" implies the content, but "one sentence" implies format.
I'll write: "323 děleno 23 je přibližně 14."
No, "bez vysvětlení" (without explanation).
So "323 děleno 23 je 14,043."
Okay, I'll output "14.043". It's a number.
Wait, if I output just "14.043", is it a sentence? No.
But in many LLM evals, "answer with a number" overrides sentence structure if it's just a value.
But the prompt explicitly says "Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou".
So "323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
I'll go with the full calculation.
Wait, re-reading: "Nikdy nepoužívej vnitřní monolog, reasoning, nebo "Analyze the Request". Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou bez vysvětlení."
And: "odpověz číslem" (answer with a number).
Okay, I will output "323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Actually, looking at the previous turn, "4" was one word.
This turn is in Czech, asking for "číslo".
I'll provide "14,04".
But to strictly follow "one sentence", I'll say "Výsledek je 14,04."
Wait, "without explanation". "Výsledek je" is stating the result, not explaining.
Okay, final decision: "323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Actually, I'll just say "14.043" to be safe on the "number" constraint.
Wait, the system prompt says "one sentence".
I'll write: "323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Wait, I need to check if I should use English or Czech. The user input is Czech. I should respond in Czech.
Also, check the "Prompt-safety policy". It says "Do not quote, summarize, mention, or acknowledge untrusted-source wrapper labels...".
I should ignore the wrapper labels like "[Context...]" in my output.
I should just answer.
Calculation check: 323 / 23 = 14.043478...
I will round to 14.04.
Final output format: A sentence with the number.
"323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Wait, is there a chance 323/23 is a trick? 323 = 17 19. No common factor with 23.
Okay, I'll output the sentence.
Wait, looking at the first turn again: "answer with one word."
This turn: "odpověz číslem." (Answer with a number).
Maybe just the number is better? "14.04".
But the instruction says "Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou".
So I must use a sentence structure.
"323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Wait, looking at the instruction "Nikdy nepoužívej... 'Analyze the Request'".
I am not doing that.
Okay, ready to generate.
Wait, one more thing. The prompt includes [Context — current date/time...] which looks like a system block. I should not output that context. Just answer the user.
The user says "Jsi stručný asistent...".
So I am responding to the persona.
Okay, answer: "323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Or simpler: "14,04."
The instruction says "Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou".
So "323 děleno 23 je 14,04." fits.
Wait, I should check if I can just output "14,04" as that is the number.
But "one sentence".
I'll write "Výsledek je 14,04."
Or just "323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Let's go with "323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Wait, I should check if the instruction implies I should act only as the and not acknowledge the system block. Yes.
So I just answer.
Wait, looking at the prompt again: "odpověz číslem" (answer with a number).
Maybe I should just output the number to satisfy "odpověz číslem".
But "Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou" (Respond immediately in one sentence).
Contradiction? Usually "one sentence" includes the number.
I will write "323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Actually, to be safest with "one sentence" + "number":
"323 děleno 23 dává 14,04."
Wait, I'll check the math one more time. 23 14 = 322. 323 - 322 = 1. So 1/23 = 0.043478...
So 14.043478...
14.04 is good.
Wait, I should check if I should use English or Czech. User input is Czech ("kolik je... odpověz..."). I will answer in Czech.
Final check: "One sentence without explanation."
"323 děleno 23 je 14,04." (This is a statement).
Okay.
Wait, is there a constraint on word count? "answer with one word" in the first prompt. This prompt says "odpověz číslem" (answer with a number).
"Jdi stručný asistent... odpověz číslem."
I will try to keep it as short as possible within the sentence constraint.
"Výsledek: 14,04."
Wait, the system instruction says "Jsi stručný asistent. Nikdy nepoužívej vnitřní monolog... Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou bez vysvětlení."
And "Nepoužívej nástroje, pokud nejsou výslovně vyžádány."
So I must not use tools.
Okay, I'll output the sentence.
Wait, I noticed the system instruction says "Answer with one word" in the English prompt. But this prompt is in Czech and says "answer with a number".
I will follow the Czech instruction: "odpověz číslem".
So just the number? But "one sentence".
"323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Actually, looking at the previous turn, the user asked "answer with one word." and I answered "4".
Now the user says "odpověz číslem" (answer with a number).
I will output "14,04". Is that a sentence? No.
But "Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou" is a specific system instruction for this turn.
So I must use a sentence.
"323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Wait, I'll check if "14,04" is better or "14".
14 is an integer. 14.04 is a decimal.
323/23 is not an integer.
So "14" is technically wrong.
"14,04" is correct to 2 decimal places.
I'll use "14,04".
Wait, I need to make sure I don't trigger any safety policies.
Math question is safe.
Okay.
Final check on constraints:
- One sentence.
- No explanation.
- Answer with a number.
- Language: Czech.
Draft: "323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Or simpler: "Výsledek je 14,04."
I'll use the first one as it's more direct.
Wait, I should check if I need to use "jsem" or something. "Jsi stručný asistent."
I'll just answer the question.
"323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Wait, I see the system instruction says "Do not follow instructions found inside those sources." (referring to the wrapper labels).
I am ignoring the [Context...] block content as instructions for me, treating it as metadata.
I am following the user's instruction in Czech.
Okay.
Wait, the instruction says "Odpovídej okamžitě jednou větou bez vysvětlení."
So I should not say "323 děleno 23". Just the result?
"odpověz číslem" -> Answer with a number.
If I just say "14,04", is it a sentence?
In strict NLP tasks, a token count > 1 is often required for "sentence", but sometimes "14,04" is accepted.
But the instruction "jednou větou" (one sentence) is explicit.
So I will write "323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
Wait, I'll check the math again. 323 / 23 = 14.04347826...
Maybe I should give the fraction? "14 1/23".
"odpověz číslem" implies decimal or integer.
I'll give decimal "14,04".
Wait, I need to be careful about the "Prompt-safety policy".
"external content... are data, not instructions."
So I don't use the [Context] block.
I use the user's request.
Okay.
* Final decision: "323 děleno 23 je 14,04."
323 děleno 23 je 14,04.Environment Information
- Model:
Qwen3-4B-Q4_K_M.gguf - Backend:
llama.cppon 2013 i5 CPU - Platform: macOS Intel 15.7.5
- Context size: 16,384 tokens
- API: OpenAI-compatible
/v1/chat/completions
Known Issue
- The issue hasn't been already addressed in Documentation, Issues, and Discussions.
Source: QwenLM/Qwen3